Why do people want to legalize drugs? It makes no sense what-so-ever?
Whether to legalize marijuana or not shouldn't even be a debate. To legalize that would cause so many problems in so many different areas it wouldn't even be funny.
Last time I checked (correct me if I'm wrong), its legal in California, but I've heard so many stories, bad ones at that. If that is the testing ground, then we don't have to worry about this being put into law anytime soon, at least not in our lifetime.
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Re: Recent Events II « Reply #256 on Mar 30, 2009, 5:03pm »
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Whether to legalize marijuana or not shouldn't even be a debate. To legalize that would cause so many problems in so many different areas it wouldn't even be funny.
Yes, because we avoided so many problems when we legalized tobacco and alcohol...remind me again how many people die of those? While you're at it, give me some numbers as to how many marijuana related deaths have been reported, say in the last year. It makes absolutely no sense to have alcohol and tobacco legal and marijuana illegal.
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Re: Recent Events II « Reply #258 on Mar 30, 2009, 6:21pm »
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Number ain't required
Why not? Because you can't find one?
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just the bs with the marijuana law is California is enough proof.
What BS? What exactly is "wrong" with it? Anything you say about it can exactly be said about tobacco, which IS legal and causes more than 400,000 deaths per year AND alcohol which IS legal and causes more than 80,000 deaths per year. Or how about this study which pegs alcohol related deaths worldwide at about 2 million? The facts are just in favor of marijuana, it's going to be legal sometime soon. There is no justification for having it illegal. Besides, drugs laws are historically racist anyways. Marijuana is no different and was outlawed because American politicians thought that when the Mexican migrants smoked marijuana it made them lazy and violent
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And btw, just because I don't have number doesn't mean I'm required to. I choose not to, deal with it.
I'm not an idiot. I know what BS MEANS, I want to know what BS in particular you are referring to. You can't just say "that BS", throw in some 'winks', and that will be your argument. Give some examples or reasons.
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I choose not to, deal with it.
Ok...great argument. At least Belch humors me with ridiculous examples...you don't even try. I have the feeling that you are one of those "pot-is-'morally'-wrong-and-should-be-illegal" kind of person.
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Re: Recent Events II « Reply #261 on Mar 30, 2009, 6:31pm »
Before I even think about finding numbers, you have got to tell me how in the world legalizing marijuana is a good thing? It really isn't.
Well I guess you really don't know me huh? You can't just say that I think its "morally" wrong. Honestly, do you know my background? No, don't make false accusations.
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Before I even think about finding numbers, you have got to tell me how in the world legalizing marijuana is a good thing? It really isn't.
How is alcohol a good thing? How is tobacco? Viagra? They all make you feel good. No other reason than that. Why else would you take drugs? I never said it would be a good thing, I'm just arguing it's stupid to have some drugs illegal and have others legal, especially since mentioned legal drugs are so harmful already. All in or all out.
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Well I guess you really don't know me huh? You can't just say that I think its "morally" wrong. Honestly, do you know my background? No, don't make false accusations.
I said I have a have a feeling. I have no idea. How could I? Get some facts and let's debate instead of getting defensive. All I'm going on is your post that "it's BS" and that "there's so many problems". I'm asking what the BS is and what problems there are.
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Re: Recent Events II « Reply #263 on Mar 30, 2009, 6:37pm »
The fact of the matter is when marijuana become legal, there will be loopholes in it that could lead to some very bad things. There is going to be an office, that may actually using it for the right thing, but somehow their privileges would be taken away, thats what I mean when it comes to California. Yes, tobacco kills more people than marijuana, but tobacco is easier to get. Not saying marijuana is impossible to get, but its a heck of a lot harder to obtain.
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Re: Recent Events II « Reply #264 on Mar 30, 2009, 6:40pm »
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there will be loopholes in it that could lead to some very bad things.
Like what? Driving under the influence? Lung cancer?
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Yes, tobacco kills more people than marijuana, but tobacco is easier to get.
Because tobacco is legal. Marijuana would be easy to get if it were legal. If it was easier to get and legal then there would be no reason for gang sales of drugs, no reason for Mexican militants to run pot farms and facilitate violence to distribute the drug to America at an inflated price.
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Re: Recent Events II « Reply #265 on Mar 30, 2009, 6:43pm »
I don't know about that, there would be some serious restrictions in that bill that could still lead the possibility of a continuous drug war. I am sure as heck I don't want to see that, neither do you, but the reality is there will be people who will pretend to use marijuana to be used for scientific and medical purposes, but as far as leisure, that is another story.
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Re: Recent Events II « Reply #266 on Mar 31, 2009, 5:20am »
...because tobacco has numerous scientific and medical uses...
Do you see what I'm trying to even argue? Anything you argue about marijuana is completely moot because other useless drugs are already legal and more dangerous. If you can get marijuana in any CVS or Walgreens, there is completely no need for a drug war. Look what happened to the gangs in the '20s and '30s after alcohol was made legal again...they almost completely disappeared.
You still really have not addressed why 1) marijuana is 'bad', especially considering the death rate and addiction rate among alcohol and tobacco, and 2) what BS is associated with the California lawas, and 3) what bad things in general legalizing marijuana would do
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Re: Recent Events II « Reply #267 on Mar 31, 2009, 5:31am »
1. Smoking it will obviously do damage in the lungs and there have been cases in which when people smoke it, the more they do it, the more they will eventually become impaired.
When I say they are some of the people being charged with using marijuana, but using the right way, there is some kind of loophole in that bill. Its not ready for the country.
3. Simple, the cancer rate, especially for lung cancer, will increase in an alarming rate. The fact of the matter is there will be people out there that will get this drug when they shouldn't and they will sell it across the street in the same rate that they always have, and nothing will change, except doctors will also have it to actually use it for good.
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Pot calling the kettle black « Reply #268 on Mar 31, 2009, 7:16am »
Marijuana is a gateway drug. I have a blog post here which explains how my brother started with pot and booze and became the burned-out piece of garbage he is today. I can't even stand to look at him. I think you ought to read it. Of course, some in the 420 crowd will argue that not all pot users become dangerous, stupid, thieving drains on their families and society, but, you know, why take the chance, huh?
Smoking is unpleasant, but lung cells do regenreate if given time. So do liver cells. Brain cells will not. Once pot. or acid, or meth, or whatnot, kills them, they're gone forever, buddy. Booze makes you stupid, but after a few hours you sober up. You get a hangover, you puke, maybe you soil yourself a bit, and then you're more or less fine again. But barring a long period of absolute binging that either kills your liver or pickles your brain--and I'm talking years, not just a lost weekend--a few drinks won't do the damage a joint or the hard stuff will in comparatively little time.
And, again, why is liberal justice so upside down and backwards? They want to rationalize away and even reward crimes through new legislation, yet punish mistakes with a vengeance if they are seen to threaten the Party's interests even slightly. I don't get you people.
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Re: Recent Events II « Reply #269 on Mar 31, 2009, 8:09am »
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Smoking it will obviously do damage in the lungs
OBVIOUSLY! Let's concentrate on banning tobacco and all smoking products instead of focusing on marijuana (but for the record, I say let them all be legal, it's your choice to ruin your lungs or not).
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the more they do it, the more they will eventually become impaired.
Same with any drug. Let's ban all drugs then.
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Simple, the cancer rate, especially for lung cancer, will increase in an alarming rate.
Fair enough, see my first comment above.
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The fact of the matter is there will be people out there that will get this drug when they shouldn't and they will sell it across the street in the same rate that they always have
Much like perkadin or any ADD drug? The difference is there is still a legal channel to get this drug, thus the street value will be much lower. People abuse drugs, plain and simple. do we want them to go through dangerous means and facilitate violence to get drugs, or do we offer a legal channel. If they made heroine legal tomorrow that doesn't mean I'll go rushing to Walgreens to score some heroine. the same people who would be taking it Illelgally would be taking it legally.
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Marijuana is a gateway drug.
Alcohol, tobacco, pain killers...all gateway drugs. That argument doesn't hold any water. You can become addicted to alcohol just as easily as marijuana. Sorry your brother is a burnout, but I smoked marijuana tons in high school and not once ever got addicted or wanted to experiment with more dangerous drugs. I stopped as easily as I started. The arguments you all are making are for drugs in general. How do you draw the line when some are legal and others not? How can you justify alcohol and not marijuana?
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And, again, why is liberal justice so upside down and backwards?
Because it's fun.
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yet punish mistakes with a vengeance if they are seen to threaten the Party's interests even slightly.
We just don't like you guys and enjoy seeing you in misery.
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